Thought Provoking

[sidewinder]

Thanks for the leads on software SS.   Some of that stuff is pricey for just doing your own stuff.  I sort of like some of the shareware and there are some like Cadsoftusa and gschem which will let you design up to 4" cards for free and if you need larger stuff then you pay the fee.  The cadsoftusa deal is good you can pay a single non-profit license fee of $125 and use their standard version for designing about anything you would need.  You just have to sign an agreement that you are not in business of selling the PCB's.  If you hit on something you might market then you can simply pay the full pop which runs from $995 to $1700 which is understandable. 

www.geda.seul.org/download.html

www.cadsoftusa.com/

barebonespcb www.BareBonespcb.com/!BB1.asp will print your boards very cheaply doing runs of 10 or more.  Things you would think only available to large Corp.s are quite accessible to the home/hobbyist/entrepreneur.

 I just have some thoughts and ideas in the solar/electrical storage area I want to toy with.  so much of what is being sold and done in this for the average Joe is just way out of line price wise and sense wise.  For instance 85% of all flooded batteries being replaced today are not really bad.  This is automotive mostly but same applies to electric vehicles like golf carts and boats.  It is really a waste and in itself creates an entire industry in recycling BS that is nothing more than planned obsolescence of materials that will soon be in short supply in most places. 


     



 

[MetalMeister]

That might literally be case the case some day soon...  

Can't get the RFID thing out of my head.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDq_LBH_ZYs&feature=related

And then there is always these verses from the Book of Revelations which appear to discuss RFID:

Revelation 13:11-18 (New King James Version)

The Beast from the Earth
  
11 Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. 12 And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. 14 And he deceives those[a] who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. 15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. 16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev%2013:11-18&version=NKJV

[sidewinder]

I don't think the book of Revelations has anything to do with it.  That has been pointed out to me about a thousand times since I was 8 years old each time something resembled anything in the bible my grandmother would let me know.  I remember going with her and her friend to some church to attend a Wednesday prayer meeting where they had guitars and banjos along with the usual piano music.  All of which I though was kinda cool, ....... until they broke out the snakes. 

In fact, that probably is when I realized that these people were nuts and I had best begin to think about all this for myself. 

Sorry, not buying that.  They're chips not marks and if they all were number 666 how would the chip be worth anything not to mention the forehead thing.  Now, if the government says we all have to come in and get a tattoo "666" printed on our head I might start to pay attention but until then I will continue along the path of deism.   

This doesn't mean I'm not listening or paying attention.  Or even inflexible, just that I ain't buying it. 

[MetalMeister]

They had snake handlers in Danville?

I thought that was just for hillbilly mountain folk...

People that handle snakes are nuts if you ask me!  

Of course, there were no chips in existence back then so mark probably meant something more than chip to them 2000 years ago.  Imagine being there and seeing events 2000 years into the future?  One could only word it with their current vocabulary.

Interesting though about the Greek word used there:

The King James Version translated the Greek word "epi" to the English word "in" or "upon" for the following marks:

    * in their foreheads (Revelation 7:3)

    * his mark upon their foreheads, (Revelation 20:4)

    * or in their hands (Revelation 20:4)

    * in their right hand (Revelation 13:16)

    * in their foreheads (Revelation 13:16)

    * written in their foreheads (Revelation 14:1).


The word "epi" is usually translated as "upon" (also: come to, by, at, before and over). The King James Version translated the word 'epi' both ways in Revelation 20:4. We get our English word "epidermis" from the Greek. We also get our English word "hypodermic" from the Greek. You would never confuse the two English words. "Epi-dermis" is upon the skin, "hypo-dermic" is under the skin. In EVERY occurrence of the Beast's mark in your Bible, the Mark is "epi" (upon) the hand and forehead.

Either way, my personal belief is that this is the technology that will be used.  I believe we are very close to it being used.  There are small instances where it is used now.  Surely not for the purposes of Revelation but leading up to it I think and 2012 happenings.

It's not the technology that is the problem, it is the way it will be used that is.

Here is Lou Dobbs on CNN:  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybKSwuIHvL8&p=AF8B25F90ECCEC4F&index=17&playnext=2


Brian Williams on NBC:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybKSwuIHvL8&p=AF8B25F90ECCEC4F&index=17&playnext=2

Chips for diabetics on FOX news:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOkGYqEiMF0&p=AF8B25F90ECCEC4F&playnext=3&index=19&ytsession=tNFEF1LT6BorBeU3sEyJK33vV8n8cw_adCqsuUNRx1qMC32Lb-2ZQZnLx_4Y5zVllPPqpXix2xrKtmg7tu2ej7vy8YGoQ1a2RLmA1lTpPaLo9Uq5Qdd3v2accWu50QYi0ibYYhL-zyWUzCpKofUDiq8ULmA5ov2CxwiL7uksp-gEV8A6_2YzatX-5o6ilG5rNF5fFIUUHCLItvR3ajyrY7-AXTSsTQOLet9zN3RPvApIUpRq2hMYYXQBLxEnjFdOU8JpiS9OYWrjRh5JGG12gdnQaxtSPCn7M0q66gJUL5otWKjfS-yM3UIJYs1dVTy1n5oH8AasyJAdpA7WzQ-mvQGMFCn0BY-f

And right here in Saint Louis there is one that is a RFID Tatoo:

http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/18/rfid-tattoos-for-tracking-cows-and-people/

Interesting thing to keep in mind is that most of these videos are 2-4 years old.  Technology is moving by leaps and bounds.

[sidewinder]

They had snake handlers in Danville?

Remember this was in the 50's.  The church was way out in the country.  Most of the folks there in the church were born in the late 1800's and had some weird views.  Another example of someone's personal interpretation of the good book. 

As far as the chips go, there are plenty of good thing they can be used for as well as all the evil one can conjure up.  A person suffering Alzheimer's for instance could be located easily should they become confused and lost.  A chip in your child's clothing might help is abducted and I advocate using some form (cell phone technology) for your kids to carry in the event of this sort of thing.  I have actually tracked a cell phone in the past and the technology in this regard can be a good thing.  My geek neighbor installed a great tracking system in his teen's car and he can locate and get pertinent info on speed and other operational data real time from his computer.  This stuff is not that expensive and can give a parent some peace of mind in this age of who knows what.

Of course anything can be abused by any authority against its subjects and will cause much debate and I would think resistance should government intrude into one's privacy.   

[sunseeker]

I couldn't help a wry smile when I read this tongue in cheek article:

“The central banking and political world are up in arms about a planned John Maynard Keynes book burning.”

http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1284098580.php


ATB 

[sidewinder]

That is too funny, at first I missed your comment about TIC and went WTF while reading it.  LOL

This sounds like something out of "The Onion"

Still say everyone should read "Keynes at Harvard"

http://www.keynesatharvard.org/

[MetalMeister]

Okay, here it is everyone.

I had heard a tiny fraction related to this subject some years ago about someone thinking they had discovered the true Mount Sinai somewhere in Saudi Arabia.  Most people have always thought it was in the Sinai peninsula governed by Egypt, currently.

I was skimming the front page of a website (long front page) and noticed something I had never clicked on and it took me to another website and a lengthy video but WELL worth the time.

http://www.godslearningchannel.com/stream/vod/?id=25&dataID=2923&prg=72809&q=High

The evidence for the historical archeology and geography is absolutely stunning.

And the confirmations with the corresponding Old Testament scriptures is truly mind boggling.  The implications are that the scriptures are exactly what they say they are.

There are many other archeological discoveries and prove many parts of the Old Testament but nothing like this before has been discovered.

Not sure about the dates this information was released but apparently all this was done from the early 90s to 2000s and the evidence is still coming in.

Apparently the Arabs knew about this for a long long time but kept it secret.

Enjoy!

[sidewinder]

watched it.  Don't buy any of it. 

And the confirmations with the corresponding Old Testament scriptures is truly mind boggling.  The implications are that the scriptures are exactly what they say they are.

Yea, because Jim and Penny say it's so. 

You're too easy YC.  Sorry, I just don't buy into it. 

[MetalMeister]

Hmmmm, do you think the Saudis are out there in the desert just setting that stuff up as part of Soviet propaganda?    

Fencing in all this stuff to keep the coyotes out from peeing on the artifacts?

It has been a question for centuries how did the Israeli's survive in the area of the traditional Mount Sinai on the Sinai Peninsula because there is no evidence for water for subsistence, plus they have not found anything there remotely close to the archeology found in NW Saudi and the two locations are not that far apart geographically.

I can just see me and SS sitting there splitting a 5th of Jack waiting for Moses to come back off the mountain and lay waste to those idiots with the golden calf...  Maybe a whole case of JD, I think he was up on the Mount for 40 days!

It's hardly just the Caldwell's promoting these ruins.  Do a google and see all the people who have broke news on this.

They were there first as far as I have read thusfar but many many people are taking an interest in this find.

But I appreciate your baseless skeptic's mind, in this instance as always.   Maybe you will find something to refute this premise?

[sunseeker]

Hi YC “n” SW
We are in Glasgow so I haven't been able to listen to all of it.....
What I have heard so far sounds fairly convincing. Although it could be faked by putting together clips from various other places in order to create the illusion of fact.
If some of what I've heard so far was indeed proven to be true then imagine the political shockwaves that would cause in an already unstable part of the world.

Is this film leading to the possibility of the State of Israel is in the wrong place?
Israel should have the oil, and the Arabs should have allot more sand.

It could be one of those things that might get pulled. It's on also on “Youtube.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2dJ1KfftqY

So you could save your own copy by downloading and using the “Freemake Video Downloader” which I mentioned recently.....

http://www.freemake.com/

http://www.freemake.com/free_video_converter/

It's in 8 parts so it's going to take some time downloading.

So you'll need to be pass the time somehow.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQokYC2-b2A&feature=related

One point that this film highlights (as much as I have seen) is Muslim intolerance to non Muslims.
If you curtailed the liberty of a Muslim in the manner that Saudi Police were doing with this  couple there would be an outcry. The place doesn't seem to be out of bounds to Muslims and therefore racist.
When France announced that they intended to ban the burqa (there is no mention that women are required to wear the burqa in the Koran)  in public places there was also outcry..... France derives over 75% of it's energy needs from nuclear, and exports approx. 18% of it's electricity to Belgium, Germany, Italy, Spain, Switzerland and UK.
 
http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf40.html

France also exports nuclear equipment, and expertise.

France isn't overly dependant on oil, so they obviously feel able to make/pass laws that they feel more in keeping with their own values.

The price of Arab oil dependency?
Follow France's example and put you're future in your own hands.

40% young Muslims want Sharia law:
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=39942

There could be a quick conversion away from Islam if they faced beating/amputation/execution though.

It's not just Muslims either:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8500712.stm

I don't remember these people having such religious sensibilities and customs when their fore bearers started to come into our country. They didn't issue threats and fatwas against people who in some way offended their religious sensibilities. They didn't burn the flags of the countries that took them in. They didn't burn books/bibles, or effigies of people (that they really would burn alive given the chance). They didn't cover their faces, or want to carry deadly weapons into schools. They didn't engage in acts of terrorism. They where actually glad to get away from the countries of origin and take advantage of what we had to offer.

Perhaps I should be allowed to dress publicly in a manner befitting my cultural heritage:



or start a new religion which requires me to wear a ski mask and carry an assault rifle in public.

Would that be reasonable?

ATB 

[MetalMeister]

SS,

Thanks for giving me a LOT to do this evening!

Will be interesting to see what you have uncovered.

I spent many hours last night researching all this Sinai in NW Arabia stuff and found way more than I ever expected.

SW, as far as the Caldwell's go there was even a guy who discovered this stuff around 1984 but he was ridiculed by the historians and archeologists.  His name was John Wyatt and I remember reading stuff about him in the 80s but long since had forgotten about it.  He has a website with a lot of interesting discoveries on it.  He died in 1999.

So I am just going to post one website where the founders have a movie coming out soon about the Exodus Conspiracy.

It's obvious the Egyptian and Saudi governments have this stuff locked up tighter than a drum because all the Muslim claims to the land of Israel are basically null and void if they are exposed and the absolute legitimacy of the Exodus is revealed the way that scriptures state it.  To say this is a world history and present day game changer would be a gross misstatement.

This movie is no laughing matter.  There is top rate science and archeology in this movie.  The main scientist is one of the most respected in the world.

I was amazed at the photography.  But the sheer awesomeness of the findings is incredible.

I had seen, I think on discovery channel some years ago, that what appears to be Roman chariot wheels on the bottom of a sandy area "bridge" in the Gulf of Aquba,

Here is the website.  The movie has not been released yet.  There is a trailer and then tabs across the top with multiple selections.

Have fun!

http://www.exodusconspiracy.com/

[pinetree]

Here's another story for your blog, SW...

If you thought you couldn't top all the SEC staffers who spent much of their days watching porn, now we've got Defense Dept employees viewing child porn on their work computers.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/07/23/pentagon.porn/

Several dozen current, former and contracted employees of the U.S. Defense Department may have put national security at risk by accessing and purchasing child pornography, government documents showed Friday.

Several of the people identified in a series of reports released by the Defense Department were listed as having top secret or higher security clearance. They worked for groups within the department such as the National Security Agency and the National Reconnaissance Office, two of the country's top intelligence agencies.

If it was one person, ok.  But several dozen?  

[sidewinder]

Nothing surprises me nowadays.

[sidewinder]

Maybe some of you guys living in GB can shed some light on this

HMRC could take direct control of pay cheques

Instead of employers deducting income tax then paying gross salaries to employees, the gross monthly payment would go to an HMRC-run tax “calculator”, which would then pass the net salary to the worker.
The reform would mean the end of traditional monthly payslips, because employers would no longer be able to tell workers how much tax they had paid each month.

I guess the State figures you earnings is actually their property and will give you what they deem appropriate. Seems the Fabian Society has the upper hand.
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/7985181/HMRC-could-take-direct-control-of-pay-cheques-after-tax-errors.html