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« on: July 18, 2010, 02:23:51 PM »

Want to buy an ocean view house or vacant land in area from Qualicom up to Campbell River on east coast of Vancouver island.

This is 5th summer vacation spent in this area. I like it.

Prices have been in a long UP TREND here for some time....and the recent combining of the PST & HST has apparently fueled a recent buying binge on vacant land. 

I read various NL's...and the 2 writer's who responded to my inquiry (Ian Gordon & Ed Steer) both indicated that they believed Canadian real estate is in a "bubble", and that as DEBT is liquidated all around the world due to the Kondratieff winter cycle, real estate valuations will be going DOWN, although with the caveat that true choice pieces of ocean front properties will decrease less then the average properties in much greater supply.

Any and all comments, recommendations, guidance, is welcome and appreciated.

Referral of a qualified and competent realtor is also welcome. There are ALOT of jerks out there.

I am from FLORIDA, and so you have some idea of what is happening there....this past JUNE 2010, approx 45% of ALL home sales in the state were homes in FORECLOSURE. The NORMAL rate is 2%.

While I doubt the Canadian market could collapse as severely, it does give one pause to reflect.
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« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2010, 09:04:42 PM »

o_d:

Welcome aboard.

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Say Goodbye to Economic Recovery      From Maclean's June 7, 2010    Author JASON KIRBY

Canada, which came through the recession remarkably unscathed, is arguably better positioned than most countries to weather a second crisis. But that doesn't mean we're immune. If the European sovereign debt crisis mutates into something larger, Canada could slip back into recession. And there are reasons to fear it could be worse this time.

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Canadians can be forgiven for feeling somewhat disconnected from the panic. The so-called Great Recession left all our banks standing. While unemployment rose to 8.7 per cent, it never matched the previous two recessions. Yet Canadians still have plenty to be concerned about. If Europe goes into the tank, and the U.S. recovery stalls, we won't escape. At the same time, officials in China have warned that exports to Europe, its second largest market, are weakening. If Chinese factories close en masse, as they did in 2008, it could crush commodity prices and threaten the resource jobs that kept so many Canadians employed through the downturn.

But above all, our own finances have deteriorated badly over the last two years. In his speech, Citigroup's Buiter singled out Canada as a country that likes to think it's in good fiscal shape, when in fact our government debt-to-GDP ratio is a staggering 82.5 per cent. The outlook for deficits in Canada is better, but the country "should not be thumping its chest too vigorously," Buiter said. "Today's best of breed would have been possible entries for the ugliest dog in the world contest a couple of years ago."

Meanwhile, Canadian households took advantage of ultra-low interest rates to pile on more mortgages, lines of credit and credit card debt than ever before. Total household debt hit $1.4 trillion last year, according to a new report from the Certified General Accountants Association of Canada. Put another way, Canadians now owe $1.44 of debt for every one dollar of income they earn, making ours the most overextended households among the top 20 developed nations. Canadian families now owe more than Americans, on that basis; even Greek households are more frugal. We're in far worse shape should the global economy slip back into recession.

It's happened before. Despite what many think, the Great Depression was not one long, unending misery. In the midst of the '30s, the U.S. economy staged a remarkable recovery that lasted four years. Along the way, markets also enjoyed several rallies, one of which saw the Dow soar more than 50 per cent. So the Great Depression was in fact two depressions that history has melded into one, and the recovery in between proved too good to be true. The question now: is history about to repeat itself?

http://thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=M1ARTM0013525

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I am not yet willing to admit that I’m wrong   by JDH on July 10, 2010

Canadian Unemployment Numbers

Now, a word to my fellow Canadians.

On Friday we got to read the good news that Canada churns out 93,000 new jobs; great! That’s over 300,000 net new jobs so far this year, so it would appear that the recession is over in Canada, which is more than you can say for the U.S., since the USA is losing jobs.

I take these numbers with a grain of salt, for two reasons:

First, average hourly earnings fell by 0.6% this month, and average hourly pay is now at it’s lowest level in nine months. So, while there are more jobs, they are lower paying jobs, which isn’t great fuel for an economic recovery.

Second, on July 1 Ontario and British Columbia, two very large provinces, combined their provincial Retail Sales Tax and the Federal Goods & Services Tax into one new combined tax, the Harmonized Sales Tax. In Ontario the 8% provincial sales tax and the 5% federal GST are now the 13% HST. This may not seem like a big deal, since on most items the combined tax remains at 13%.

However, there are many services that were previously exempt from the PST, but now include the HST. Everything from haircuts to landscaping and home renovations have increased in cost to the end consumer. As a result, to beat the HST, many residents of Ontario and British Columbia built new decks, had their driveways paved, did some landscaping, or renovated their basement in the months prior to July 1. That may be a significant contributing factor to the higher employment numbers. I suspect that now that the higher taxes are here, many of those jobs will be lost, and the employment picture will dim.

So, I plan to stay the course, stay in cash, and hold my puts.

http://www.buy-high-sell-higher.com/2010/07/10/i-am-not-yet-willing-to-admit-that-im-wrong/

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and see the following self-explanatory video.

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Vancouver Real Estate Roller Coaster

http://vancouvercondo.info/coaster

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IMO, if there is another downturn in global markets; I can’t see how Vancouver property prices would be able to stay afloat. 

So, I will say that Vancouver property prices will decline within the next 1-3 years.
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« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2010, 11:22:06 AM »

The Lower mainland, Van Island...Its all the same...Beautiful British Columbia. It is the California of Canada. When people retire from the frozen East,  Toronto, Maritimes, Montreal, they don't want to shovel snow, they sell, and move to the west coast. They buy what they want, and help push prices higher as they do it. A large contingent of Asian Immigrants, and Middle eastern Immigrants also land in vancouver, and go from there. The Europeans are coming in and buying massive tracts of land up in the cariboo, good for them. This place is a retirement dream, and that is why the prices, although they do correct a bit moving forward, will always rise here. There is always demand going forward, and it will not stop. Until people want to retuire and live elsewhere in Canada, prices here will always be the most expensive in Canada...
Got your retirement cabin on a lake yet?    Cool   Cool    Cool
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« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2010, 04:41:57 PM »

Here’s a video which pays tribute to the River Campbell of Vancouver Island, British Columbia. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SbtdQr2QT4

Wow!  What a beautiful piece of heaven on earth.

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I will not disagree with Depleted that Beautiful British Columbia is the California of Canada.

As for whether or not, Vancouver properties prices can keep on going up and up; I think that is debatable.

But, here is a practical website which can be used from time to time to spot check for any variations in prices for residential properties in Canada.

"mls.ca" home page is found here.

http://www.mls.ca/splash.aspx

Click on to "Residential Properties".

In the below blank box, type in name of city.  For, example – River Campbell.

Where do you want to look?
 
'BLANK BOX'

Enter a Street or Neighbourhood or City or MLS® Zone
   

And, Voilà!, residential properties for sale will appear.

http://www.realtor.ca/map.aspx?&vs=VEResidential&beds=0-0&baths=0-0&minp=0&maxp=0&area=river%2bcampbell&trt=2#acr:false;ac:false;baths:0-0;beds:0-0;fp:false;gar:false;pmin:0;pmax:0;rmin:0;rmax:0;openh:false;pool:false;stories:0-0;buildingstyle:;buildingtypeid:;viewtypeid:;waterfront:false;forsale:true;forrent:false;orderBy:A;sortBy:1;LisStartDate:;mapZ:12;page:1;mapC:50.02462640404701,%20-125.24817936122397;curView:0;

Good luck to one and all on finding your next home!  Cheesy
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« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2010, 12:08:11 PM »

For anyone wanting to buy a property in Canada, here’s an article to keep in mind:

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By Julie Cazzin, October 29, 2010

How to protect yourself if home prices fall

House prices in Canada have officially fallen — and they could fall for some time. Here's how to protect yourself, whether you're a homeowner, seller or potential buyer

It's a dangerous time to be in real estate. Home prices have risen to record levels, and mortgage rates and housing inventory are creeping up. After years of marvelling at the surge that just won't quit, newspapers are changing their tone. Gone is the euphoria of earlier this year when buyers rushed in before the introduction of the harmonized sales tax in B.C. and Ontario. Now unfamiliar phrases such as "cooling market" and "slowing sales" are being dusted off for headlines.

http://money.ca.msn.com/banking/homebuyersguide/article.aspx?cp-documentid=26127042
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